A new email went out to members stating that Brad has been spending his time creating an audio eBook that he's going to sell to members. No word on when the business that he's sucked 90,000 people into will launch. Only that he wants more money from their pockets put into his own pockets. Another aside about server problems causing delays that will now be fixed... yada yada... same old same old when it comes to his annoying excuses... and then he throws in that he wants to sell the members on advertising... yup... more money in Brad's pocket taken from the poor followers who thought this messed up idea was a "dream".
To see what the members had to say about this continuing travesty I checked their Forum where complainers complain, and zealots excuse... and they've LOCKED the forum to new posts.
Absolutely incredible the depths this cretin will go. My comments section is open to all, and while I can delete them, I promise only to delete off-color ones. So E4L'ers.... tell me it's great and Brad should be excused and given more time... or tell HIM what you really think without fear of being shut down!!!
Tuesday, January 15, 2008
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nothing but more excuses and the fourm thread being locked tells me a lot allso.i thank brad needs to woory about getting the site running instead of e books e audio etc etc .ever since it didnt launch in august and no one in admin never said nothing led me to beleave this will never launch
there was to much censor ship on the fourms. the admin never wanted to answer are there only answer was another week are were getting close.then you have lorna calling people rubbish banning people from the board.when some one had concerns are gripes lorna are brad would get hatefull with them.thats not a way to run a buisness with your affiletes.when people have concerns are gripes they should be listened to and responded to in a civil manner. then you had the belivers getting upset with the doubters gripers are concerners saying it wasnt good for new people sighning up.new people outa be able to know whats going on so they want be surprized when the site dosent launch
Just
another round of excuses! Does Brad really think that members will be
stupid enough to buy anything else from him? I agree with czonehead
there was to much censorship on the forum and no one got any direct
answers to their questions. Maybe it is a good thing that this program
has never launched.I can only imagine the problems with orders and no
one getting any answers! In my opinion this program is just one big rip
off and I feel sorry for the people that have spent a ton of money and
time promoting it
Is there any real product and product vendor? That is the real question.
It is easy for Brad to pay some money to get a new website skeleton and even pay a programmer to transfer the data into a new database. I believe it is a click of a button to export his data from mlmsoftware, and a very simple upload to a new database.
He could easily delay months more by moving to another database and coming up with an excuse why the products aren't there yet.
What happened to the VIP status? Only VIP's were supposed to have access to special advertising.
I would love to see everyone proved wrong and everything falls into place. My whole optimistic theory rides on the fact that Brad has much more money to make if there really is product to sell. Why would he settle for the few thousand he makes through ebooks and ad stuff?
There may be personal tax/legal reasons that Brad can't actually turn this into a real business. That is the only reason I can see that he doesn't just start this up.
The truth be told, he must be running out of people willing to throw him even a dime more at this point, but if this is all he has, I guess he has to squeeze it dry.
Forum is locked, great start to the new year. What a joke of a company. SCAM.
I don't know how many times I've tried to just get people to start thinking about all the red flags that E4L was throwing up, right in plain sight. Never did I out and out call it a scam, but knew in my heart that's exactly what E4L was and is. Brad is pretty slick, that's for sure, to get so many people believing in his "dream" as they call it. Yes, he has a dream alright. Putting money in his own pocket and to heck with everyone that has paid hard earned money in to him and building this so-called business for him.
It's said that 95% of the opportunities on the Internet today are scams.....That's why people fail. The scammers are getting rich and we go broke padding their pockets. E4L/Brad, just might make that percentage rise.
Wake up people. Do your research before joining ANY opportunity. New or Old.
Hello Very Smart People!
FYI: 3 RAT's in a ROW ...NEEDING "HARD" SPANKING's!!
Listen up, these people E4L.BIZ are NOTHING short of a "PONZI" Scheme! They Baited & Switched Everyone in their membership with GSU's and then it was CSU's which don't even exists. People struggled and were very emotionally distraut because Lorna would't reply to emails nor would the company give due refunds.
We know because alot of people we know, smart one's like yourselves, told us that when they ask for a refund they were immediately terminated!
In addition, another FYI: E4L.BIZ is NOT a registered Company. They have a P.O. BOX in Scottsdale, Arizona in a Strip Mall of all places! NO Phone number and their website details can be found on whosit search. That too isn't registered under Company name but that of the owners' other company RDR Marketing and is registered privately.
What kind of a company is so blatently disruptive and deceiving of it's members? Ask yourself this question: How come they don't want you to know anything about the owner's of the company? Or the inside details? How come they block you from forums, blogs & Webinars!
NOW they have formed yet another company called Blessed to Broke B@B with none other than Mark Neville at the healm as CEO, Peter Lee & Lorna Heath doing moderating and support! Guess they ran out of steam with E4L.BIZ!
One More FYI: Lorna Heath sent a bulk message to the entirety of the membership on Thursday, January 17th, 2008. NOT PRIVATE it popped up on peoples computers everywhere that had Skype!
Even on ours! We got smart and quit E4L a long time ago when they said it would launch in June, then it was July, August, September, October, November yada, yada NOW it's almost the end of January!
Most of you probably don't know that E4L.BIZ has been sucking up members since about one and a half years ago when they started this crap. They STILL haven't Launced and Probably NEVER Will! In fact they STILL have NO PRODUCT to sell anyone. What do you think of that?
My dear people, our congrats on a great site to unveil the truth in scam of E4L.BIZ and it cohorts Lorna Heath and the others.
She has threatened and trashed so many people at this point that it would be a wonder if she every got successful in anything. HER credibility is SHOT and that of anyone who hangs out there with that company or it's sibling theives. Wolves we say, just simply looking for fresh kill!
They certainly have given themselves a black-eye in the online world of network marketing!
Anyone can find out all about them and their schemes. The internet is a very BIG place!
Lorna calls other people Vultures but she is the Vulture in this woods!
Good Luck to all of you, and just so you know, we are here if anyone needs help with anything. We specialize in online help for other's in biz and we do it for free! We don't care if you aren't involved in what we are, we just like helping others! Got questions? Contact us @ bizhelpinfo@gmail.com Thanks and ALL of You Have a Great Day!
OOP's! Sorry about that, the correct name of the other theivling company associated with some of the Lorna Club Members, is Broke to Blessed! They are calling it B2B. We were on webinar recently and some questions were asked about their involvement with E4L.Biz, and Peter Lee got very defensive over it, and it was so obvious!
People PLEASE check out the companies you work with onine. You just never know what you will find in reality!
If they don't have a good address, a valid phone number, and you aren't allowed to access information or ask pertinent questions about the leadership, chances are that's a big ol' RED FLAG - get away from it as fast as you can!
By the way, the email address we left in other comment before this one, has NOTHING to do with any company at all. We are retired Disabled Veterans, GrandParents at that, and we just love to share what we know if it is helpful to others as we have 21+ years in biz both on and off the net!
We do sincerely hope that no one here is offended by our truthful comments. We went to alot of trouble to personally seek out the details about E4L.Biz when they tried to bully us as well!
We wish everyone well, some just simply can't help themselves tho, and they get sucked into these "FREE" programs that are nothing much as far as making money online - we call it "Monopoly" money, ha!
Have a Great Day!
i went to the broke to blessed site googled lorna heath and went per her link. theres no mention to what the buisness is are any thang like that. just who joined and that you pay a 25 dolor activation fee and will receave the 25 dolors when some one joins under you.no info of what this is about are pay compenstion other then 25 when some one joins under you red warning lights went off in my head when i looked at this site. i have no respect for lorna any way. she is on the board bad mouthing people who dont have her same opinion and dont agreee with her banning people from the boards for no reason at all
I am one of the "fools in this E4L biz. Yes I must agree wirth all the negative reports here. I am all but totally convinced that Brad MorseIs preparing for flight from his visions and dreams. only one reason I hang around is to be there when it happens so that I will be able to scream from the highest mountain ---"I TOLD YOU SO! THIEF!" we fell for another scam. Why do we fall for scams when there are some real money making programs that Just might be better than E4L?
for nyone wanting to see more of what the person lorna is saying and what nyone else is also saying about her, check this out, it her own blog
http://i-love-free1up.blogspot.com/
one would hav to be stupid to not see what is going on and how dum she really is, she is a liar and a crook on her own. i know because i known her for a long time.
E4L, B2B, almost one in the same. Put money up.......no product or anything. One should also question Free1Up, or at least Lorna's involvement with it. She's a top LSE and there's always some reason for not launching the so called Ad System.
But Brad is at it again. Wanting more money from the E4L membership. I sure hope people have woke up. Word has it he's in partnership or some connection with, B2B.
Another proven scam is DubaiMLM.
Careful what you join! Do your research.
got a e mail brad is selling csu .hes been promising the site would launch so long a go. i guess he needs more money. i would like to see products and a payment plan. and the site opening. brad will not get my money buying csu. theres no site no mention of products no pay plan listed any where so brad either launch the site are get out of town
well what do i say to all these comments left by other folk only to say that e4lbiz wil be big when it is ready
also that broke to blessed has got nothing to do with e4lbiz
you all say that because i am in that also but its working for me
i would like to be a fly on the wall and watch all the people who say it will not work eat there words
and finally for the person who started this blog site
stand up and reveal your true identity hidding behind the mask
"clint eastwood" wants me to reveal my identity... what a joke. Reveal yourself my man! If I reveal who I am my email will get removed from the E4L list and I won't be able to report on their lies and manipulations. Speaking of that... WHY have they STILL not "migrated to the new back office". That was promised "this week" about 6 to 8 times dating back to Sept & Oct '07. The last time I heard the same promise was a couple of weeks ago. So "this week" never, ever happens. WHEN will you see the light and realize that there is no carrot. There is only a promise of a carrot.
One last thing... I WILL reveal my identity the day E4L launches, and will apologize for my skepticism. In other words, I'll probably remain anonomous forever.
by the way... you clearly don't care what is legal and what is not if you're in Broke to Blessed. They make no qualms about it... you get paid for recruitment. THAT IS ILLEGAL. You state "it works for me". Well, so does robbing banks, swindling old people, etc. If you have no ethics, you can make money in illegal pyramid and ponzi schemes if you're in early enough. But eventually it blows up because it's run out of steam, or the authorities get wind of it and shut it down. There are so many illegal pyramids like Broke to Blessed that they get away with it for a long time... until they get really big and a lot of complaints start coming in. Either way... I WARN YOU NOW... PAYING FOR RECRUITMENT IS ILLEGAL.
So for all to see... here is "clint eastwood" who believes in E4L and thinks any means of making money is OK as long as it "works for me". Those are the only types who still believe in E4L... the scammers, the idiots, the morally deficient.
ok clint eastwood
i would like to be the fly on the wall to all you e4l biz beleavers when it never happens. arent you tired of the excuses from brad.even if it launches how do you even know what you will make theres no pay plan posted.
Well glad this place is here people need to blow off steam. But to me this is simple. To all the people that are still behind E4L and Brad and feel it's not a scam and so on. Lets just look at it from a business stand point ok. Here is a man thats let say is a honest caring and all that, and this is his dream and he's going to make it perfect before he launches and all that. But he started this over a year and a half ago, has had well over a $100,000 come in (10 to 15 thousand VIPs and he made $10 off each + the other money he made). And all the support and resources of people like Lorna, Peter, Mark and the list goes on. And with all that he still doesn't have E4L launched. Other company's with similar ideas came along after he started and are already up and running. So from a business stand point if Brad with all that time, money and resources is such a poor business man that he still doesn't have E4L going (and yes he is a poor business man). Do you really think he's going to be able to run a company that for everyone to make any money from it would be a multi million dollar corporation? Lets get real here he can't even get it open, at best he doesn't know what he's doing. Now there were some pretty bright people that were part of E4L and I suggest you check out there programs. The ones that are legal that is. I believe Robert Raintowers has one he's working with and is like a partner or something he seems honest. And I've heard Mike King has one he's building and he seemed pretty bright and was always questioning things. But as far as E4L...well keep your membership after all it was free and forget about it and if one day you get a email saying you've got money in your acct then you can worry about how to get it to your pocket. As for me if I want to worry about something I think I'll worry about if they're going to be able to find out what's happening to all the bees and if they're going to be able to pollinate so we have enough food to eat.
I have filed a complaint with the FTC, and encourage others to do so.
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
Has anyone noticed that it is now MARCH and NOTHING is happening. Last I heard they were "transferring to the new database this week" about 4 weeks ago. And I think I heard that exact same promise from Brad about 6 or 7 times dating back to October.
Is anyone else having trouble logging into their back office? The space to sign in does not work
jane i was able to log in make sure you click the link for the old back office
i cant beleave the last e mail from brad that he got so many e mails from people that had payed money to advertise. to wait longer. i thank most people stoped advertiseing for this so long a go . to many broken promises of launching .to me just another excuse . i dont thank this site will ever launch and if it dose we need brad to post a payment plan to how he is going to pay his affilates.
Thanks czconehead, I was finally able to log in
Is anyone able to log in to their back office today? I was able to the other day and now the link for the old back office isn't working
i tryed logging in to the back office the old link dosent work . takes you back to the new page witch dosent work either
Thanks czonehead. Wonder what is happening???
Thanks. Wonder what is happening??
The Reason That Brad hasn't transferred to the new back office is because any idiot with a few dollars can buy the mlm pro software, get a host account and pay a nominal fee to have it installed.
What you don't know is that with mlm software pro you can't just transfer data across to a different server as you can only have it installed to one domain according to the terms and aggreements. Also the way the software is designed you can export peoples info into a text file to import into another program however it doesn't work half the time and they know this.
The biggest problem here is that Brad knows that he cannot jsut push a button and import peoples information which would prpovide 2 options for his companie. 1-
manually enter everyones info and supply new login information to the 90,000 members into the new back office as he is probably looking at a different software for his mlm companie
Or have everyone go and resign up for this program and try to have them sign up in a different order.
I know this because I have had to do this myself point is.
E4L will not survive as a result of trying to use a different mlm software and that is exactly what E4l is up against because
In order to use paypal for transactions the software has to be "paypal compliant" as paypal allows no form of mlm which would also be disasturous.
And that my friends is a major part of what is going on.
I know for a fact as I used mlm pro and was banned from paypal as soon as my company launched.
When I tried to come to compliance and switch everyone over to an affiliate software that was paypal compliant I lost over 85% of my affiliates and my business tanked
because there is no way to import everyone over automatically from mlm pro(you either have to have everyone resign up for the program and the real difficult part sign up in the order they originally did) or you have to manually inout their information into the new database in the order in which they signed up.)
Not going to happen
So E4l is going to suffer the same fate I did
Wow-
Guess what, I had somewhat of an epiphany.
90 some odd thousand people have put their faith in a company that 1 I don't believe willl ever launch and 2, if they do launch will fail within the first year.
How is an entertainment club like this supposed to ever survive with so many other well established music and entertainment clubs that have a lock on the biggest part of this market.
"oh but this one you get paid"
Bull, almost everyone of these has some sorft of an affiliateship where you can make money. However making money with these has been limited to very small compensation plans and any slack taken up with e4l will result in the same and the fallout will be a huge factor from the problems e4l has already had.
E4l is a losing proposition and even E4l's top recruiter Lorna will be dissappointed in her income if they ever launch and actually have a product to sell.
And where is this product coming from? As their location is merely a po box in AZ I doubt that brad has the purchasing power to have product drop shipped from various locations. I doubt that his relationships with vendors has exceeded that of Columbia House just to name one.
OK Can he not be charged for charging for gaurtee Leads,and that stuff he is not paying up on?
Let's face it. IF...and that's a BIG IF this E4L.biz EVER gets off the ground and opens for business, I for one will forever kick myself for hooking up with a guy that surely is a douche of an administrator.
As an IT Consutant for 25+ years, none of his lame excuses for why this is taking so long hold water. While we're waiting, he's been developing and working on his autoresponder and other IT-courses we E4L'ers need(?) to partake in in order to "glean" his expertise(???).
I feel for the people who have bought into these side-schemes of his.
Brad Morse's latest reason for why the E4L.biz site is not accessible (his IS supplier informed him they had to migrate their databases over to new servers) DOES NOT take DAYS to do! If it does, then he better be screaming his head off at them to get it up pronto.
My concluding comment: use Brad Morse and E4L.biz plainly in your entires here to help others find info about him when they Google his name. The Googel spiders will eat this up quickly to help propagate it.
Cheers,
SRH
Entertainment 4 Less has done it again. Another Brad Morse scam. How can E4L continue to bring people into the scam? E4L.biz is an amazing example of how stupi some people can be when it comes to free money. Thanks Lorna Heath and Ann Marie Morse. You guys put one over on us.
I believe its time for the atty gen of arizona to know about Brad. Who will join in and send info to the atty gen. I am starting now, tired of this bs, and brad is going to jail soon.
I googled Brad and the first link that came up sure was interesting. check it out because it sure seems strange that the biggest excuse for e4l not launching is the company he hired to make the new web site. But look at how much web designing experience he has. He can design a web site on his own. Check out this link http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/232/390
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