I logged into HotConference.com's "members only" call today... and it struck me as I listened to the founder Joel Therien what is so wrong with E4L.biz. I don't know a ton about HotConference's business, but there are clearly members with questions... one came up about a new product Joel had promised and when it would be launched. Joel responded with the name of the company he was working with, the date and time of his next meeting, and the names of the people he was meeting with. In other words... DETAILS... VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS.
When similar questions are posted by Members to Brad Morse of E4L the answers are vague... VERY VAGUE. You hear "next week" or "soon". He never tells you the names of the companies he's negotiating with... or anything else specific.
Joel Therien also stated today "I suck as a manager" and explained how he brought his sister into the business who has a corporate background. Now I haven't checked into this business enough to know what the issues are... but they have a functioning business (unlike E4L's non-stop "pre-launch" and now "in-launch" whatever that means) and Joel has a blog with videos of himself outside his home. So EVERYONE can track the guy down. Does anyone know who Brad Morse is or where he lives or anything else personal about him???? In addition... if you Google Joel you get a ton of results. If you Google Brad... you get nothing. So you tell me... if E4L is not a scam... then it's a really poorly run "in-launch" business.
For those wondering about HotConference... it's online conferencing with built in VOIP. That way you can host an online meeting, show your desktop or surf the web live... AND have a conversation without having to use the phone. Since not everyone has a computer microphone I also suggest FreeConferenceCall.com as a back up... everyone pays for a toll call... but there are no set up fees or monthly charges... it's 100% free if you're using extra cell minutes like I do.
You can try out virtually every online conferencing service via free trials... the only thing that E4L seems to have done is to use HotConference which I've decided is my favorite.
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Wednesday, August 15, 2007
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Yes, I tried to look up Brad Morse today too. You would think that for someone who has so much previous presence online with network marketing programs you would find something relevant. I looked up myself and although there is more than one Amy Hatcher (a dog lover) you will find my squidoo lens, my MPM direct page, my website, and my associated content article just in the first 2 pages of results. Do you think this is his real name?
Just wanted to say that this is definately a scam, Brad Morse is now promoting an unrelated product to members telling them the must get it to make money with E4L. What a nonsense!!!
I wonder how much he has made with this little scam. Im sure some of you guys can find out!!!
wish i could get hold of his list and explain to the zealots just whats going on.
I have been banned by their forums because I posted an article by the FTC depicting the difference between pyramid, ponzi and legit MLM scams. I even put a disclaimer on the top stating I was not in any way calling E4L a scam and that the post was to educate people. However they banned me which is now leading me to believe that maybe they do have something to hide. I encourage all people to post a complaint with the FTC to have them investigate E4L fully to put this to an end. I have already filed my complaint today as E4L is clearly meeting the FTCs definition of a pyramid scheme.
The more people who file a complaint with the FTC, www.ftc.gov the faster they will investigate. I am not saying E4L is a scam. But by banning me and by not addressing my questions or concerns makes me a bit nervous. So if you have doubts or have invested money, do a filing with the FTC so they can at least check it out before people do get ripped off.
Well E4L up to no good again. Now they are just banning everyone or erasing all posts that remotely question their practices. This poor guys asked 5 easy questions that were not negative. For example one question was, When does E4L plan on launching, can we get a real date please.
I do not see that is being a horrible question. But E4L has now decided in its business practice to censor anyone who has questions. Imagine what they are going to do to their customers who call and complain. Probably hang up on them.
I am telling everyone here and now to never shop with E4L or recommend to anyone because they don't care enough about their members, what makes you think they will give a rats ass about their customers?
My Poem about E4L
Twas the months before Christmas
and all through the land.
People were licking thier lips,
and dreaming of vacations in the sand.
So we all dished out money,
in hopes of great gifts.
To only find more money,
going into the pocket of his.
Please be patient and steady,
says the owner of this.
We will soon be ready,
With the launch of E4L.biz.
Months go on by,
and still to our amazement.
People still praise glory,
for this business of entertainment.
Buy this ebook,
says the owner of e4l.
Great riches will come,
to all who surely do tell.
My loyal but few,
shall keep you in check.
As I rake in more funds,
and you all cry, What the heck!
The site will be done,
in a week or two.
Until that time comes,
I will keep you all in que.
We will be selling,
many products of kind.
Not just entertainment,
but anything that builds my gold mine.
You will all advertise,
this business of mine.
And I will make all the money,
why you all sit and whine.
You are my puppets,
and I am the master.
Do as I say
and nothing else will matter.
To all those who post,
a question or concern.
shall be banned and erased.
for this I stand stern.
My members dont matter,
as I do not communicate.
So shall my customers,
suffer the same fate.
As I hold no ethics,
or business morals.
Why should I care,
about your petty quarells?
You keep buying
my ebook of doom.
Thinking it actually works,
when it only brings gloom.
So keep spending dough,
on my venture of dream.
And maybe one day,
It may just seem.
That I may open
these doors to you.
Nah, I think I will
just wait another month or two.
To my knowledge E4L has been in pre-launch since Oct. 2006 (unless someone can correct me). So October 2008 (to my knowledege) will be the 2nd anniversary of it's pre-launch phase!!! THAT IS INSANE!!! Anyone considering E4L as a business opportunity - the alarm bells should be deafening!
Having had so many false starts on launch dates that have come and gone with hitherto, absolutely no further progress - I stopped recruiting affiliates last year.
I didn't see the point of bringing in people whom are ready to join and begin promoting the business in order that they can generate an income NOW, WHEN THE LAUNCH OF E4L IS APPARENTLY FOREVER IMMINENT. I believe that they would only have lapsed into the same state of frustration and disillusionment that we have.
Personally speaking, I have since abandoned E4L and am on the verge of signing up to another business opportunity.
I echo the comments of other posters that have attempted to find anything about BRAD MORSE the companies Director. Peculiar given his years of "success" both online and in network marketing.
In particular, I wanted to obtain his phone number in order to ask him to refund every single penny I have paid him for Guaranteed Sign Ups and Customer Sign Ups he charged so royally for OVER A YEAR AGO, AND WHICH I AM STILL WAITING FOR. Surprise, surprise, his phone number cannot be found anywhere!!!
My own personal theory on E4L is that its a marketing device devised by BRAD MORSE to build a huge database for the dubious purposes of marketing products that he has either created himself or is an affilate of.
BOTTOM LINE, if you are thinking of signing up to E4L and have had the good fortune to find this blog beforehand, read the comments, take heed, and THEN SERIOUSLY THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU DO! While it won't cost you anything to sign up to it as an affiliate, chances are that you will recieve emails from BRAD MORSE urging you to purchase the 'latest and greatest' from him on the promise that it will "really help you to make so much money with E4L - WHEN IT LAUCHES".
DON'T SPEND A PENNY!!! I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH.
My recommendation, is simply move on and find something else. There are plenty of other good programs out there, pending your due diligence of course. Whatever you do, AVOID E4L LIKE THE PLAGUE.
In the meantime, can anyone advise me on any official channels I can go through to get my money back from Brad?
Latest E4L.biz update....18.08.2008. Well, of course, the big deal lately is that "invitations" were being sent out and that they were now done doing that. So if you hadn't received an invitation, some kind of form would be given to members to fill out and send in to find out why they didn't receive one. I have a 1000+ group and I didn't get one. As a 25+ year IT Consultant, I immediately react to "poor" procedures for doing such a easy task as sending out invites. But while we've been "waiting endlessly" for this POS (piece of sh_t) to open up, Brad has been pushing his own autoresponder service, the Google ebook deal and another "course" we all need(?) to have.
E4L is a farse as far as I'm concerned. With my IT background and Brad's countless excuses for how much time his "programmer" needs to accomplish all that he wants done...Brad should have done one of two things...get a better programmer (database transfers don't take weeks on end to do), or bail from the whole concept and let E4L memebers know so they can go on to other ventures and not string them along with empty promises.
We just received an email a few days ago from Brad telling us NOW that we can't get into the E4L.biz back office because his IS supplier had informed him that because of server problems, they were transferring the E4L databases over to new servers. Again, it doesn't takes days on end to tranfer from one server to another!
If I were Brad and it DID take that amount of time, I'd be screaming my head off at my IS supplier threatening to move the whole thing if it wasn't up and running pronto.
So...what do I suggest. Just walk...walk away from E4L.biz and don't look back. And if you come across another Internet venture with Brad Morse's name on it...just walk away the wiser for it.
In a nutshell...Brad Morse is a douche!
Hello, I am another victim of Brad Morse- I live in Canada. I thought that E4L.Biz sounded like a business that would be really successful. I recently wrote to him asking for a refund of the money I paid, but the letter was returned as undeliverable. Does anyone have his address? I really would like to get my money back. I am wondering if he has a different name. Erica Silvera
Sounds like a Tony Seruga job..
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